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[cccanale]

My favorite areas to hunt in WY and UT are all wilderness areas. The best mule and elk hunting in WY is wilderness. While my legs are still intact and I can hike into deep areas, I still feel the benefit of removing motorized vehicles is wonderful for our kids. It allows great hunting, but because you can't access areas 30miles deep in one day, it also provides for a safer area for breeding birds and mammal populations. Again, the BEST hunting in WY is in wilderness areas. These areas have been established as wilderness areas longer than I've been alive. this in not a conspiracy. You just can't ruin the land and the peace found there with the noise and rubber of two-stroke motors. If what you really care about is hunting, promise, this will make it better. -ccc

[Chuk&Duck]

Love it. Hunting is not threatened in these areas and the "antis" have nothing to do with this. There should be areas to enjoy the outdoors in peace and quiet and other area for ATV's.

Use the quads god gave you!

[Trooper]

Use the quads god gave you!

Hear! Hear! Wilderness designations are great for hunting. Not every huntable place needs such a designation, but we could use a great deal more.

http://www.sltrib.com/features/ci_14303177?source=rv

[Trooper]

In case anyone missed it before it got edited, I apologize for stating that (in my opinion) "hunting" had improved following the wilderness designation of a 100,000 acre area containing a significant quantity of Juniperus osteosperma.

It was thoughtless of me to refer to this small, evergreen plant by what must be a very vulgar and ugly term beginning with a "C". For that I am deeply, deeply sorry.

Fortunately, at least two of you were quick to tattle, er "inform" the moderator and have that part of the post edited away. I promise to never again use a common name, instead of the Latin, to describe a widely distributed bushy and freely branching small tree that rarely reaches heights taller than 15 feet and that is the most widely distributed plant species in the southwest and which covers millions of acres.

If I do, why not PM me directly like grown ups? I'll be happy to revert to the proper Linnaen terms.

PS- Just so you guys don't get in a tussle, why don't we work out who is going to park on which pass so you can continue your illusion of having "discovered" the most popular (unnamed animal) hunting area in Utah? Also, did anyone here know they shoot ducks at Farmington Bay? I also heard there were big deer in the Henry's, Elk in the Book Cliffs and fish in Strawberry reservoir.

[Sir Buckwheat]

I have no problem with it. I think we need some more Wilderness areas around. Some places are to easy to access. Not only for upland but for big game as well.

Mat

Not Wilderness. Roadless is OK by me but Wilderness land has too many stipulations and regulations that come with it. It is definitely the 'Land of No Use'. They made some country that we've been going to for generations Wilderness and now you can't even take a leak on it.

Sorry to see they added some of that up your way Ryan.

[TAK]

Here you can form your own(s) opinion on having taken away from you.... http://www.wilderness.net/index.cfm?fus ... w&state=UT

[DGFavor]

I'm still not getting the "it's taken away from you" part...it's still there, anyone can still go enjoy doing damn near whatever they want with the only exception to my knowledge being operating motorized equipment...?? Is it the fact that we just can't always do whatever we want, whereever we want, whenever we want?? It's a tough balance to meet the "wants" of everyone for sure.

[InvaderZim]

Common Misconceptions About Wilderness

MISCONCEPTION: Wilderness is a "lock-up" of land that locks people out. Hiking by foot is the only means of travel within wilderness, and wilderness prohibits many popular types of recreation.

In fact, the Wilderness Act specifically says that wilderness is for the "use and enjoyment of the American people." Americans take between 16 and 35 million trips to wilderness annually that include activities like hiking, backpacking, camping, canoeing, rafting, kayaking, climbing, ice climbing, mountaineering, horseback riding, cross-country and downhill skiing, swimming, fishing, hunting, wildlife viewing etc. In short, most types of outdoor recreation are allowed in wilderness, except those needing mechanical transport or motorized equipment, such as motorboats, cars, trucks, off-road vehicles, bicycles and snowmobiles. Exceptions include wheelchairs and, in Alaska, certain mechanized and motorized uses are allowed in association with traditional and subsistence activities. Millions of acres of other types of public land are open to motorized recreation, and the fraction of land preserved as wilderness ensures that those seeking non-motorized recreational opportunities can enjoy them in an environment free from the effects of "expanding settlement and growing mechanization" mentioned in the Wilderness Act.
More on the benefits of wilderness >>

MISCONCEPTION: The word wilderness refers to all wild lands, including that overgrown park down the street.

In fact, not all lands that are wild are designated as wilderness. Wilderness lands are Federal lands that have been designated as part of the National Wilderness Preservation System by Congress and are managed by the Bureau of Land Management, Fish and Wildlife Service, Forest Service and National Park Service under the Wilderness Act of 1964, and subsequent wilderness laws. Although some states and Native American tribes have designated lands as state or tribal wilderness, these lands are not managed under the Wilderness Act and therefore do not qualify as part of the National Wilderness Preservation System. Additionally, many people mistakenly refer to national parks, state parks, county and city open spaces, or even primitively privately-owned lands as wilderness. These lands, although wild and valuable as compliments to lands contained within the National Wilderness Preservation System, are also not considered to be wilderness according to the Wilderness Act.
More on non-wilderness lands related to wilderness >>

MISCONCEPTION: Most public land is protected as wilderness.

Currently, the National Wilderness Preservation System contains 109,492,743 acres. However, only 4.82% of the entire United States-an area slightly larger than the state of California-is protected as wilderness. This is deceptive since 52% of America's wilderness is found in Alaska. Therefore, only 2.73% of the contiguous United States-an area about the size of South Dakota-is protected as wilderness.

MISCONCEPTION: Wilderness is found only in big western states or in Alaska.

In fact, while a lot of wilderness is found in the west, all but six states have federal designated wilderness: Connecticut, Delaware, Iowa, Kansas, Maryland, Rhode Island.

MISCONCEPTION: Wilderness is only found in remote places like high-elevation mountains with snow and ice or vast sandy deserts.

In reality, the National Wilderness Preservation System preserves a wide variety of ecosystems throughout the country including swamps in the Southeast, tundra in Alaska, snowcapped peaks in the Rocky Mountains, hardwood forests in the Northeast, and deserts in the Southwest. More than half of these diverse wilderness areas are within a day's drive of America's largest cities.

MISCONCEPTION: All wilderness areas are managed by the Forest Service.

In fact, four federal agencies in the Departments of Agriculture and Interior share the responsibility of managing the National Wilderness Preservation System: Bureau of Land Management, Fish and Wildlife Service, Forest Service, National Park Service. While the Forest Service manages the largest number of wilderness areas, the National Park Service manages the most wilderness acreage.

[InvaderZim]

A wilderness area in your neck of the chukar woods is about the best thing a hunting man can hope fer.

[Red-Grouse]

I'm not sure that Wilderness = Anti's. You can do all sorts of things in a "wilderness area" except maybe destroy it.

Maybe the best thing you have ever written.....

I love the slippery slope argument.....and to some degree the "slippery slope" argument is true! for example breathing is bad for your health because once you start you started down the slippery slope of breathing and now your going to die!


Limiting access (ATV's) is not the worst thing I can think of.....

[perro gordo]

There is some irony in this and the other Idaho thread. On the one hand you have landowners (and their friends) saying how victimized they have been by tresspassers which, among other things, don't respect how much work they have done to create these private islands of wildlife bliss. And have rightfully said they would be on the phone to the sheriff the very second I cut the fence and started doing doughnuts in their CRP. Ok, I get that. On the other hand, when the government tries to protect some (precious little I might add) of the land that it owns (yes it owns the land) by imposing restrictions on types of use, all the sudden its "red alert, the antis are conspiring to take away our rights as 'mericans." The irony is, don't step on my piece, but don't tell me what I can and can't do on the other stuff. Wilderness is good. Conservation is good. Hunting is fun.

[cccanale]

Zimmie- I'm with Red-Grouse. That was one sexy post. Well said. And PG, nice notice of the irony.

[Ryfly]

I understand the desire for places off limits to vehicles but what other restrictions come with wilderness designation? Will you be allowed to build guzzlers? What about habitat improvements like clearing Junipers or overgrown stands of pine? I know back East there are places where the grouse are going extinct because of the lack of logging. People want to keep the land "wild" and don't care if a few hunters complain about the lack of birds. I also like places where I don't have to hear the whine of an ATV engine but how is that any different than someone who wants to enjoy nature without hunters running around shooting and disturbing the wildlife? I think it's human nature to want to bend the rules in our favor but when we get in the business of limiting the rights of others it gets tricky as to where to draw the line.

Just some food for thought.

[TAK]

I understand the desire for places off limits to vehicles but what other restrictions come with wilderness designation? Will you be allowed to build guzzlers? What about habitat improvements like clearing Junipers or overgrown stands of pine? I know back East there are places where the grouse are going extinct because of the lack of logging. People want to keep the land "wild" and don't care if a few hunters complain about the lack of birds. I also like places where I don't have to hear the whine of an ATV engine but how is that any different than someone who wants to enjoy nature without hunters running around shooting and disturbing the wildlife? I think it's human nature to want to bend the rules in our favor but when we get in the business of limiting the rights of others it gets tricky as to where to draw the line.

Just some food for thought.

Hmmm Good points... I am not one that likes to be controlled on something that is already our land... Right or wrong?
Like it was said, Roadless is fine, "lets not try making this into a 4 wheeler thread", but it is all the other restrictions. Once it is entered into so called Wilderness it is my understanding that it can not be changed back.

[perro gordo]

[quote="Ryfly"]I think it's human nature to want to bend the rules in our favor but when we get in the business of limiting the rights of others it gets tricky as to where to draw the line./quote]

Uh oh, the voice of reason. Well that's a thread killer. Its so much easier to just say I'm right and the other guy is a _________

Oh boy, two weeks left! There is this one particular covey that has kicked my *** all year - running straight up hill, then flushing out of range - flying into the cliffs of despair, luring me in with their taunts, I fall on my arse, and then they flush into the canyon of doom, where I then fall on the snow covered rocks tweaking my shoulder and then they merrily sail into the talus of no return and cackle a clear " ___ you gordo - have another beer you beater!" They made it personal. I was just doing my thing, but they made it personal. I just want one, I mean just one clean look with the fly swatter before the end.... just one clean ..... BAM BAM!!! Mom!!! Where's the meatloaf?!